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Introduction To Atheism And Ideas Of God For Teens – What Would You Suggest?

by podblack on June 25, 2010

So -- the challenge over my holidays is to start introducing students to religion! And atheism! This is really going to be a lot of fun!

The program involves ‘Ideas of God’ and ‘Religious and Mystical Experience’. While I can find a variety of useful general texts (the likes of AC Grayling, Stephen J Gould, Julian Baggini, the mandatory ‘The God Delusion’ and even a few chapters of ‘The Greatest Show on Earth’ by Dawkins and so forth) -- what would you suggest for holiday reading or viewing?

We’ll be covering topics such as arguments for theism, concepts of naturalism, religious experience and science, interpretation and misinterpretation of experiences, and a few different schools of thought (scholasticism, postmodernism, empiricism and so forth).

Since I recently conducted a Token Skeptic podcast interview with Warren Bonnet of Embiggen Books on ‘36 Arguments for the Existence of God -- A Work of Fiction‘, I’ve popped that onto my list as a useful ‘alternative’ way of looking at the issues. I’m not keen on just making this a ‘dredge through non-fiction works for the holidays’. After all, many of us might watch YouTube short films and monologues, documentaries both online and on DVD and so forth.

There might even be a few comedy routines that you know that could get across an important concept quite memorably -- for example: David Mitchell on Pascal’s Wager – Heaven For Atheists.

So -- what are your recommendations? What would you suggest that would get students thinking?

Here’s an example of a passage that the class might analyse, so they should have the kind of knowledge that would enable them to break down and critique the ideas raised in this (we’re not using this as a task, but it give you an idea):

Atheism does not make a person more rational.  Not every atheist is going to be rational or even be an atheist because of rational reasons. Although gullibility is often attributed primarily to theists, the fact of the matter is atheists can just as easily fall victim to it. Atheism and scepticism should go together, but in reality they often don’t and many atheists are not sceptical when it comes to all sorts of political, social, religious, and paranormal beliefs. There are many atheists who believe in ghosts, psychic powers, astrology, and many other irrational ideas. Being an atheist doesn’t make them totally rational in every sphere.  Sceptical atheists should make a habit of questioning the validity of religious and theist claims by requiring evidence which would allow for proof or disproof. Assertions should be supported and then the credibility of those assertions should be evaluated. Such sceptical methodology is not immune to problems.

Just because a claim cannot survive close sceptical questioning doesn’t meant that it is false. What it does mean, however, is that we don’t have good reason to believe it, even if it is true. A rational sceptic is someone who insists that we have good reasons to believe something and who rejects a belief simply because it is emotionally or psychologically appealing. A person who believes something without having good reasons for it is not rational — and that includes both atheists and theists. That is why people who are atheist are not always rational.

If you like -- feel free to respond to that too!

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=^skeptic cat^= June 25, 2010 at 10:57 am

I always considered The Presumption of Atheism by Antony Flew to be the definitive essay on the topic but in light of his more recent assclownery it would undoubtedly confuse people.

A favorite atheist author of mine is John Loftus who studied under William Lang Craig. His essays are quite readable in consideration of their scholarly content.

Another, very readable scholar is Paul Tobin.

As to your block-quoted paragraph, my experience is that young people today fall into one of two categories in so far as religion is concerned: completely ignorant or grossly misinformed (and pigheaded about it). And the two are not mutually exclusive.

That’s anecdotal evidence, for sure. But a lot of those web-films and such that you spoke of really do just muddy the waters – disguising polemics as education, putting forward fallacious arguments and all that bad stuff that skeptical inquiry is supposed to protect against.

My late father used to say that half-education persons are the most dangerous people out there … Because they sound like they know what they’re talking about.

podblack June 25, 2010 at 12:43 pm

Excellent, thank you SkeptiCat! I was wondering about the wisdom of pointing out some of the YouTube videos… so I’ll be looking around to see what’s useful.

Some recommendations I’ve been given include:
1. The Atheist Universe by David Miller (great tone and very approachable)
2. A Short Introduction to Atheism by Julian Baginni (perhaps the best all-round non-confrontational atheism book)
3. The Book of Atheist Spirituality by Comte-Sponville
4. God the Failed Hypothesis by Stenger (a scientific update of Bertrand Russell’s approach)
5. Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris (succinct to the point and quite convincing)
6. Godless by Dan Barker (simply excellent)
7. God is not Great by Hitchens (not as aggressive as his debates – in fact at times a little tedious even)
8. Breaking the Spell by Dan Dennett (excellent but perhaps a little academic for your students)

The best of the arguments against

1. The Case for God by Karen Armstrong (a few strawman arguments and does wander off topic a little but still pretty good)
2. Jesus for the nonreligious by Bishop John Shelby Spong
3. Why the Christian Church must change or die by Bishop John Shelby Spong

Best cross examinations
1. Religion Explained by Pascal Boyer (an anthropologist’s view of religion)
2. 50 Reasons People Give for Believing in Religion by Guy Harrison
3. Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman

In addition, the library of a fellow educator includes:

Science and Providence: God’s Interaction with the World by John Polkinghorne
God and Science: A Quest for Christian Credibility by Arthur Peacocke
‘Honest To God’: Then and Now – Thirty Years of Honesty (based on the Bishop John Robinson’s controversial theological best-seller) – edited by John Bowden
After All: Religion without Alienation by Don Cupitt (one of the post-Christian and post-Philosophical investigators?)
Truth and the Reality of God: An Essay in Natural Theology by Ian Markham
‘Problems in Theology 4′ – Science and Religion: A Selection of Key Readings by Astley, Brown and Loades
Philosophy of Religion: Selected Readings – ed. Rowe and Wainwright (but it’s essentially a reader, as you might have guessed).

Ticktock June 25, 2010 at 11:13 am

For an entertaining diversion on the topic, you could watch “The Golden Compass” or “The Wizard of Oz”, both of which have atheistic themes, one more blatantly than the other.

Graham June 25, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Carl Sagan’s “A Demon Haunted World” would have to be number one on my list.

podblack June 25, 2010 at 8:13 pm

Re: ““A Demon Haunted World” – Already used it for the scientific method unit, earlier on in the year. :)

Graham June 25, 2010 at 1:29 pm

Ooh. I nearly forgot the book which simultaneously taught me all I needed to know about Christianity and converted me to Atheism. The bible itself!

Jim Randolph June 25, 2010 at 8:36 pm

Sounds like a great class. I second the Baginni and the Sagan. I also like Asimov’s historical look at the bible, but that’s probably a bit too much. I endorse Dan Dennett’s view that the best way to combat religion is to study ALL of them. The similarities and differences just kind of diffuse the whole dogmatic thing. Oh, and Paulos’s Irreligion looks fun.

Can’t wait to hear how it goes!

ejdalise June 26, 2010 at 12:35 am

Risking another post because I think two more entries deserve mention.

One is the excellent Julia Sweeney “Letting Go of God”. Sure, it’s a personal journey, but the thinking process, self-examination, and the questioning of the whole god concept should resonate with both theists and atheists alike. If nothing else, it is an introduction to the critical thinking process that should be applied to all religions.

The other is likely not mentioned here because some saw it as “going over the line”. Sam Harris’ “The End of Faith”. I was impressed by the willingness to voice what are frank arguments without capitulating to current political correctness centered on fears of offending the faithful.

It might have resonated with me because it so closely echoed some of my worries and personal beliefs, but it should be required reading for anyone who believes the good of religion outweighs the bad, and for all those believers who fail to question the radical aspects of their faiths (tacit support is support nonetheless).

OK, bye.

=^skeptic cat^= June 26, 2010 at 7:08 am

Oh, sorry to double-dip, but I almost forgot Bertrand Russel’s Why I’m Not a Christian … Although that essay is quoted extensively in TGD and Atheist Universe and may thus be superfluous … I know, “that word doesn’t mean what you think it means ….”

Sean the Blogonaut June 26, 2010 at 3:02 pm

All god suggestions. Now wishing that I had you as my RE teacher – sure that it would have saved me about 15 years of wasted time and money :)

Sean the Blogonaut June 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm

lol I meant good

podblack June 26, 2010 at 7:18 pm

HA!!! not correcting your error, that was cool! :D

Sean the Blogonaut June 27, 2010 at 11:18 am

I do have a suggestion actually – some of the essay from 50 voices of disbelief – has some Australian content that might be relevant.

podblack June 27, 2010 at 11:54 am

Yes, naturally! :) I’ll be using that as an intro – here’s a picture of me holding my copy! :)

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