Thanks to ‘bastardsheep’ for this one:
TAM (The Amazing Meeting) is coming to Australia this year, the last weekend in November. The first official lineup lineup of speakers has just been officially announced: James Randi, DJ Grothe, SGU, Brian Dunning, George Hrab, Dr Eugenie Scott, Dr Karl Kruszelnicki and MC Dr Paul Willis.
#TAMOz appears to be the ‘official’ tag on Twitter. I have noticed that Dr Leslie Cannold made an initial observation along the lines of ‘where’s the women?’ and then acknowledged how there’s only two women represented so far (I don’t like the use of the word ‘chick’, but I guess that’s her choice).
I met Leslie Cannold, in case you don’t know who she is, at the Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne. She was on a panel dedicated to women and atheism, including Jane Caro, Lyn Allison, Tanya Levin and (Maggie Millar was taken ill at the last minute and was replaced by) Meredith Doig. There was also myself as an MC / presenter, and activist Taslima Nasrin amongst the women who you would have seen on the stage.
First thoughts? I’m wondering if that indicates how there’s smaller population of people who would identify themselves as ‘skeptic‘ in comparison to those who would identify themselves as ‘atheist‘ and thus making the task of including women in the TAMOz lineup more difficult? This was something I pointed out in my presentation – that those who would be categorised as atheist and female in the population of 1243 people is larger than those who would be ‘non-believers’ in horoscopes, psychic healing, lucky charms and the like (let alone, possibly, atheist as well).
To assume that every atheist woman in the audience was a skeptic (and from my experiences, I would say that there isn’t going to be an obvious correlation!) would make it easier for people to say ‘see, there’s a lot of skeptically-minded women!’ – but it would be easier still if skeptical women are identified as potential presenters to TAMOz who are also qualified, confident and have relevant things to say… all of this I covered in my earlier blog-posts on having inclusive opportunities to speak, women in skepticism who are qualified, people presenting in general and the issues, and so forth. It’s one thing to say ‘we need more‘ – another to have ‘we need more and we have examples of those who do it well and know what they’re doing‘. But then, we’d expect that no matter who you were – wouldn’t we?
Certainly the big thing about ‘coming out as atheist’ that was promoted at the Global Atheist Convention might have been a factor in my casual count of a crowd attending the Friday opening, of about 40/60% women to men. No details as of yet as to actual population of gender ratio at the GAC.
However, also present at the Global Atheist Convention was quite a buzz about #TAMOz it being ‘the next event to go to’ (completely without my mentioning its existence to anyone in any capacity beyond casual discussion!), so I’d be surprised if there wasn’t some effort to make it a little more inclusive in future announcements?
There may be quite a few people who do not consider themselves particularly ‘skeptically minded’ who would go just to ‘find out what it’s all about’ – certainly Dr Cannold seems interested in finding out more in regards to the gender balance. This may be a great opportunity to find out what interests people in skepticism. If there are new people wanting to learn, be supported, have more interaction – and whether what is being provided by the Australian Skeptics or the JREF is meeting that demand.
The question remains unanswered as to whether having women on the stage who are qualified and engaging presenters will then automatically mean more women identifying themselves as ‘skeptically-thinking’ – and what do they do next? For all I know, it will be the likes of Dr Karl who will spark some sense of activism and incite new projects amongst a group of women who attend.
So, I guess that would mean that we’ll be seeing skeptical women like Sue-Ann Post, Dr Krissie Wilson, Dr Rachael Dunlop, and the like in the audience at the very least. Naturally, I’d love to be able to talk more about the research that Dr Martin Bridgstock and I did, because there’s some very significant findings that have not been formally announced. I have no idea if I will have that opportunity – at the very least, Dr Martin Bridgstock should. You see? Even I know that Dr Martin will most likely capture your attention with his verve and vibrant character, and he’s most definitely a bearded guy!
But it’s early days yet and for all we know, there’ll be additional elements like panels and workshops like they have at the Las Vegas Amazing meetings? Since the ‘Sunday Papers’ no longer feature at the Vegas ones, perhaps the opportunity for offshoot presentations will exist in another format at both of these upcoming events. Certainly Dr Leslie Cannold will be keeping an eye out.
Oh – nearly forgot (heh, a plug again, like I did at GAC!) – if you want to hear examples of female skeptic speakers from Australia, have a listen to the Skeptic Zone podcast!


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It’s definitely an interesting question. I don’t think that the organisers of the GAC and TAMOz are overlooking qualified female presenters, intentionally or not. Perhaps women are less likely to be skeptics, or involved in skeptical outreach. I don’t know. I’m very glad that you’re investigating these matters, though.
I still find it a little disheartening (if that’s the word?) to see that once again:
Older generation
White
Males
dominate the line-up.
Okay, fine, not all of us do TAM Vegas and this might be our chance to see some of them. But honestly, why all the US bias? Is it because JREF are funding it? How many of the presentations guarantee something fresh and new that’s relevant to Aust Skeptics?
New Zealand’s Vicki Hyde comes to mind. Why Skeptoid and not Skepticality? How about getting poor Leo Igwe out from Nigeria and the issues he’s had over there, especially since he writes for the Aust Skeptic mag?
I’m hoping that the intellectual content will be sustained by the likes of Eugenie Scott, because for much of the lineup I don’t know beyond their voices on a podcast which –as said in this blogpost — isn’t the same as being able to present. And sorry Dr Karl, I’ve seen you presentations every time you tour Australia and there needs to be more engagement. He just does his booktour standard, which is fine, but always just ‘here’s cool stuff’.
Bring on local talent like Dave Happy Singer with Hrab and some of the YAS to shake up the age range!
True, I know an atheist woman who could tell them about her beliefs in astrology and divination. And a woman who understands the facts of evolution who is Muslim. Maybe women are just too complicated to find the right kind to show up?
Or maybe… is Penn invited?
Why not include Vicki Hyde – president of the NZ skeptics? She is a good presenter and would have a lot to communicate.
If you want to have someone in the line up? Suggest them. Keep on asking if they’ll be there, get in touch and see if they’re available. Suggest opportunities like workshops and panels. Dragon*Con could do it, and from what I have seen of Vegas TAM, there’s opportunities there too?
I’ve done more than my share of awareness-raising via this site and via creating panels at Dragon*Con for both the Skeptic and Science track that included both topics and people that were relevant:
Science track – Luck, Amazing Coincidences and Other Charm(ing) Delusions -Dr. Martin Bridgstock, Kylie Sturgess, Barbara Drescher.
The Gender-Gap in Science – Myths and Realities – Pamela Gay, Ginger Campbell (MD), Kylie Sturgess.
Darwin’s Bulldogs – Teachers on the Front Line – C. Kevin Barrett, Eugenie C. Scott, Kylie Sturgess, Prof. Matt Lowry and Barbara Drescher
Skeptic track - Skeptic Zone Podcast – with the team
Skeptic Psychology and in the Classroom – Dr. Bridgstock, Daniel Loxton, DJ Grothe, Barbara Drescher, Matt Lowry, Kylie Sturgess.
Martin and I applied on January 1st and I inquired again straight after the Global Atheist convention. That’s all I could do.
I think a lot of the selected lineup, as far as international guests go, will be determined by who a) can take the time out of their jobs and lives to speak and b) is prepared to travel to the other side of the world for the event. I’m sure it’s not an easy thing to organise. There were many times during the GAC when I caught myself thinking “why wasn’t X invited to be a speaker?” and then “well, perhaps they were”.
Wow Kylie. You’re going to be one busy kitten at Dragon*Con.
Oh, that was LAST year, Mick!! That’s what I did as a presenter / participant in 2009!
This year, still sorting things out. I have only three things on my ‘dance card’ and yet to see if they’ll be properly confirmed, et al. Early days for D*C.
This looks like the line-up for “accomodationist con/be nice to religious people con” to me, with Randi and Genie Scott.We were all very excited about the opportunity to see everyone again at TAM after the GAC, and probably a lot of people still will go, but that speaker line-up, including lack of women, has me a bit worried.
Dr Karl, are you serious??
I guess that illustrates my point? This isn’t an Atheist convention, it’s a skepticism one.
What I suggest, Rorschach, is that maybe you suggest a debate panel about whether or not there is ‘room for atheism / room for the religious’ in skepticism? I’m certain the likes of George Hrab, Randi, Richard Saunders, Eugenie and the like would very much get things going if that was posed as a topic? I’d MORE than be happy to see Dr Martin Bridgstock doing that panel, too?
Seriously, if you are wondering if there’s going to be something that will appeal to you, start suggesting? Get in touch with the Australian Skeptics and point out that there’s topics like that which will have you and others keenly interested. They want to make sure people are happy with what they’re going to get!
@Podblack can you confirm that your dance card is A3 sized (seriously suspect you are part of an advanced human cloning trial)
@Rorscach
Who would you like to have? Who would be less accomodationist?
Oi, everyone!
How about we take the conversation here? http://www.youngausskeptics.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=246
That way, we can have a nice collation of dot-points, suggestions and maybe come to some sort of brainstorm as to what people are hoping for? That way people can coordinate to politely make suggestions to the relevant contacts at the Aust Skeptics as to ‘what would make me attend and make me enjoy the experience’?
Oh, oops. That’s me not paying attention again.
Good to hear. Especially after all the work you put in at the GAC.
You’re right of course Kylie, I need to adjust my expectations for this, it is not an atheist conference after all, and it might just serve as an occasion for people to get together again who met at the GAC.I don’t doubt that it will be interesting to hear Randi and the others speak.
And I am sooo off to Copenhagen in June anyway !!
Still, if you think of some good topics / presenters, do suggest them. I think the notion of discussing skepticism and religion is a good one and there’s precedence from an earlier TAM.
Is Tim Minchin in Aus at that time?
I doubt it – and I doubt they’d have the funding. Why not email and ask?
Oh, I discussed the likelihood of someone like Tim Minchin being at a future atheist conference with Julian Morrow in the recent SZ episode.
I remain intrigued that religion is treated as a separate issue from, say, astrology or homeopathy or clairvoyance, all of which seem to be taken for granted as issues “sceptics” wouldn’t “believe in”.
HELLO ANDY! I’ve missed you, how are you going??
And yes, that’s something that has come up for quite some time – the example of Daniel Loxton in the interview on Token Skeptic is one I’d point to? Where atheists complained about the ‘Evolution’ book and how it dealt with the topic of religion.
Yes, Andy. That’s always bothered me too. I think of it as the ghosts/gods problem. Why is one fair game but not the other?
If I may add, the apparent contempt shown for outspoken atheists by certain prominent skeptics has at times made me feel a little disillusioned with the whole enterprise. At no point was this worse than during the Bill Maher/Richard Dawkins Award affair when I had to stop listening to a favourite podcast because of the snide remarks about atheists (and I disagreed with AAI’s decision in that case, as did virtually all of the atheist bloggers and podcasts I follow).
Not as if skeptics can’t make mistakes. My report on Sharon Begley’s scheduled appearance at TAM6 and how I had some doubts about her suitability turned out to be true…
Fascinating.
I guess another example would be David Gillespie’s talk, which made for fascinating twitter-reading.
His talk on sugar at Briskepticon, that is.
To be honest, I am looking forward to hearing the best speakers we can gather at TAM Oz regardless of their gender. Sure, as a woman, I would love to see women well represented, but I don’t want to see women added to the lineup simply because they are women. I am going to TAMOz because I want to hear great ideas, I don’t really care who is saying them.
Agreed, Riayn – and that is pretty much what I say in my sequence of posts called “On Skeptic Conferences” both part one and “On Skeptic Conferences” part two.
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