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The Process Of Skeptical Blogging – The Bridge

by podblack on September 24, 2009

Now we can go straight / into the middle eight / a bridge that is too far for me”

There’s been a few comments and links popping up over the past two days that I thought I’d collate here – mostly to add to the discussion of skeptical blogging that I started earlier with The Process of Skeptical Blogging – Part One, but also to help myself when looking back over ideas and inspirations to know ‘this is who said it and where I found it’.

That in itself is another aspect of blogging that people don’t often talk about – it’s a useful repository of ideas and concepts that you can revisit again.

Plus, you can indulge in your rather daggy fondness for lolcats after all these years.

Daniel Loxton, firstly, has been putting in some time on the Daniel_Loxton Twitter with some excellent snippets of advice that are well worth checking out – so, I guess he’s really the main author of this blogpost today. There you go, guest-writers aren’t so bad after all…

Skeptics: don’t opine outside expertise! @NewHumanist editor on how he stumbled badly on AIDS denialism.

Skeptical Fail#1: supposing your personal incredulity trumps expert consensus (on climate, fluoridation, vaccines, 9/11 etc)… Skeptical Fail#2: thinking science and skepticism objectively confirm our own pre-existing moral or political preferences. Skeptical Fail#3: giving cover to denialists *because* they adopt the “skeptic” label. Skeptical Fail#4: thinking a year listening to podcasts gives you better knowledge of paranormal minutia than proponents. Skeptic Fail#5: Using ad hominems. Ad hominems are as ugly and offputting coming from us as from anyone else.

As a whole culture of newbie skeptics grows up online, knowing our stuff is more essential than ever. (in response to Karen Stollznow – discussion of such can be seen in Live Blogging At The ‘Where Do We Go From Here’ Panel At Dragon*Con and in the video Day Four – The Final Footage of Skeptics At Dragon*Con).

There’s much more in his Twitter stream to read, but that’s a sample. Notice that there is also a strong suggestion to familiarise oneself with earlier histories of skepticism (one great free pdf can be found thanks to Skeptic.com at PDF Junior Skeptic sample issue: “Great American Skeptics’).

Loxton concludes with: “This now-classic SI article should be mandatory for all skeptics” – it is a link to  Bridging the Chasm between Two Cultures by Karla McLaren and illustrates quite well a concern that I’ve had about the more aggressive attitudes towards the not-so-skeptical:

I couldn’t identify my work or myself with the scam-based work or the unstable personalities so roundly trashed by the skeptical culture, because I was never in the field to scam anyone—and neither were any of my friends or colleagues. I worked in the field because I have a deep and abiding concern for people, and an honest wish to be helpful in my own culture. Access to clearheaded and carefully presented skeptical material would have helped me (and others like me) at every step of the way—but I couldn’t access any of that information because I simply couldn’t identify with it. Until now.

…I see your faith in human intelligence, your anger about swindlers and charlatans, your open-minded ability to question authority and accepted wisdom, and your willingness to fight to further a cause close to your heart. My favourite people in the New Age culture share these same qualities. I feel that people in your culture are capable of reaching out to my culture in sensitive ways that will have a chance of being heard—because it’s vital that you are heard.

This, as I’ve pointed out earlier, should be a factor kept in mind as a skeptical blogger. An awareness that your audience may not hold the same beliefs as you but is seeking information and would be willing to identify and learn, if they felt they could.

Secondly – a question raised by one of my readers, Sean the Blogonaut (that has already been somewhat addressed above!):

What’s your thoughts on writing skeptically in reference to qualifications, more specifically, what qualifications do you see as necessary to write skeptically/about skepticism?

If you have read the dressing down of fellow skeptical blogger Theo from Hunting Humbug in the Skeptic Magazine I would appreciate your thoughts on that as well?

I’ll have to go home and look over the comments about Theo before I can talk about that – sorry, I thought I brought my copy of the Skeptic in with me today. But I can do that in the comments of this post later.

In general, I don’t see what particular qualifications are particularly needed to write about skepticism, as long as you make an effort to write well, reference, research, reflect and continually challenge yourself to keep an open mind.

(I just noticed then that Daniel Loxton snapped out “SkepticFail 6: Repeating a standard “skeptical explanation” without finding out if it’s true—or if there’s any “mystery” to explain” and SkepticFail 7: Thinking we are inherently smarter than paranormal or pseudoscientific believers.” More good points…)

For example, there’s quite a few Humanities-trained writers who are science and skeptically-minded writers (interview with Jennifer Ouellette in episode #35; Dr Karen Stollznow in episode #17 of Skeptic Zone podcast) – James Randi naturally springs to mind. I would also question whether ‘writing skeptically well‘ also means a skeptical-cartoon blog or a photography blog or a ’sing-along’ blog? There’s more than one medium you can use!

What I really find unacceptable? When people are standing on a stage saying (and I quote): ‘this is my job’ in terms of representing skeptics – and doing it poorly or actively alienating their stakeholders due to their ego. Things like talking about ‘Getting more into critical thinking’ without defining it; failing to research the history of skeptical activists or activism; and not defining themselves as a ‘feminist’ or even ‘a skeptic’ consistently. If you’re going to say you represent a group, at least demonstrate some humility in regards to improving for both your sake and others by doing the research – and acknowledging there’s a spectrum that you’re apparently the ’spokesperson’ for. Matter of ‘heat/kitchen’.

I always think that we never stop learning, not even in our last moments. Sometimes that seems to be overlooked for the sake of popularity amongst, what is after all, a veritible gold-fish bowl of skeptically-minded people in an ocean of difference. One of the reasons I continue my education, in several different ways.

Thirdly (yes, there is a ‘thirdly; after all of that) – there’s a rather enjoyable discussion (debate?) between Greta Christina and Victor Stenger in the comments about online atheism on the blog of The Friendly Atheist (a review of the book ‘The New Atheism’). Naturally, a discussion of online atheism, including the contributing factors (or purported lack thereof) of blogs in comparison to books, ensues.

One of the last commentators, Hank of Dangerous Intersection, sums up:

The point is that blogs and books complement each other and neither should ever be overlooked in favour of the other or underestimated. Books can and do cover things to a depth that blogs by their necessarily brief nature may not be able to; blogs are able to rapidly respond to new and changing situations and raise discussion and debate about them almost instantly (PZ Myers comes to mind with his swarming of ridiculous polls!).

Blogs are also, as it happens, one of the best tools to raise awareness about pertinent books…For those of us fighting on the same side, it’s time to recognise where our strengths are and where each approach can strengthen the other.

So, I would certainly draw upon both resources (with the usual modicum of skepticism, as raised by Daniel Loxton previously) when composing either a blog-post or another written piece of work.

I taught during an era when drawing upon print and non-print for a written or oral response to a task didn’t primarily stem from online sources – yet even then we’d instruct students to read widely and question what assumptions and arguments were put forward by a text. Find alternative accounts and weigh up the arguments. Develop your own ideas and put them to the test. Nothing has changed in that regard.

That’s enough for today. Thanks for reading.

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{ 17 comments }

AndyD September 24, 2009 at 5:56 pm

I’d add – “remain open to the possibility that you just might be wrong.”

I think there’s a risk in deeming that to be actively sceptical requires some serious level of dedication to research and/or science and/or history. That suits some people who see scepticism as their “job” or “second job”, but I think (hope) there’s room for armchair sceptics to voice their opinions too.

I’d suggest that expressing opinions outside of one’s area of expertise is not itself a problem. The problems arise when one refuses to reassess that opinion when faced with quality information from someone with the relevant expertise.

Sean the Blogonaut September 24, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Whoa thanks for the in depth reply. I concur with your first point, that as long as you are writing well, researching and using quality evidence, being open to being wrong( 1 pt to Andy), and realizing you own limitations then you are going about things the right way.

In reference to Theo – there was a letter criticizing skeptic magazine and him specifically for his article Barnett’s Blunders. While Dr Miller may have some good points, I found her letter to be a bit emotional and a bit “why won’t you print my quality article”.

She has a point I think with rudeness in a magazine article. But on the other hand Theo was illustrating an Ad hom fallacy or rather the point at which an insult isn’t committing and ad-hom fallacy.

Should the Skeptic be sourcing articles from qualified people? What defines qualified (ie Theo is a teacher if I’m not mistaken and has devoted considerable time to logical fallacies) does the Skeptic need to retain the services of a professor of philosophy to write such an Article? Where in all this, is their room for the critically thinking layperson, the blogger who has time to combat anti-vaxx nonsense when the paediatrician doesn’t ?

Is broadening your audience by appealing to less serious skeptical issues ie ghost hunting, “dumbing it down”.

I did learn one thing though – the specific definition of Cretin.

Ann September 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm

This reminds me of something DJ Grothe said during one of his multitudinous panels at DC this year – “It’s important to be skeptical about everything, including skepticism.” His point was not, as Daniel Loxton cautioned above, to give credence to the denialists because, hey, they’re skeptical too! but to make sure we aren’t following blindly because someone ostensibly smarter than us said something skepticky. We’re expected to use our brains and find some middle ground between “Ave, Scepticus!” and “Well, how many people actually saw the moon landing in person?”

podblack September 24, 2009 at 10:47 pm

Ha, yes! As ““SkepticFail 7: Thinking we are inherently smarter than paranormal or pseudoscientific believers” kind of implies (as I thought it did) – we all can be fooled and be wrong. :) Thanks Andy, you rock. :)

Ann! Hello! You should be the one writing about being a blogger, you’ve been doing it for WAY longer! Yes, the ’skeptical gods’ does come with… errm, cargo-cult. I’ve regrettably fallen for such in the past and became sadly aware of clay feet on the pedestals. :/ Well put.

Sean – just read the Miller letter you mentioned again – I think you have a good summation of it overall. I wouldn’t change much there. What that letter-to-the-editor also says:

“I have a new concern on top of the old ones now. I am concerned that ‘we don’t want dry academic articles – this is not a peer reviewed and academic journal’. I agree we don’t need to have dry articles, but why is there a problem using the highest level of scientific writing (peer-reviewed research) in The Skeptic? This statement worries me greatly…I am quite sure that if you wish to dumb down the Skeptics, this ignorant approach is all that is needed.”

I’d point out that the editorship has changed since that edition; that the previous editor who wrote that aim didn’t seem to get a right-to-reply (perhaps they might in the future) and, as you said, Miller (and any others out there) are given an opportunity to submit. However, you raise other very good questions you raise and I’d send them in as a letter to the editor yourself?

Of course, there may well be a new editorial focus with the ‘changing of the guard’ as it were (I guess the editorial says ‘indication of the editor’s preference’ in regards to some sections, so)… then, I’d probably wait for a few more editions to see if all of the accusations she made were really fair about the progress of the magazine anyway?

I’m not associated with that publication (beyond helping with one edition at the start of the year, which I was thanked for in that editorial) and I’ve had quite enough of ’skeptical politics’ for … well, probably a lifetime at this rate and I’m loath to get involved in any more. :)

Karen Stollznow September 24, 2009 at 11:42 pm

Hmm, some excellent thoughts.

You’ve incited me to pen something later today!

podblack September 25, 2009 at 6:05 am

And I have to keep writing on another project for you – gah, sorry… I shouldn’t be poking about on Twitter! :/ Oooh, speaking of inspiration – people, please go read “Watching the Wheels: Writing Skeptically”, which is the origin for my writing this series! :)

Sean the Blogonaut September 25, 2009 at 7:41 pm

Kylie,

I realized that I did leave rather a lot of questions in my comment. I will consider writing into the magazine, but thanks for you consideration.

I am aware that you are not connected to the mag, however, I do find you to be
a) evenhanded/balanced/ considered
b) a good spokesperson for skepticism

Just listened to your NZ think tank and thought that you did a great job of interviewing/ facilitating ( perhaps you could run workshops on setting up skeptical orgs).

On politics – I hear you :)

podblack September 25, 2009 at 8:09 pm

Sean – *hug* and thanks. :) Setting up skeptical orgs, oh bloomin’ heck, I still have editing to do!! I think I did my dash this year with that “105 Things To Do Next” document as it is! :)

Sean the Blogonaut September 25, 2009 at 9:13 pm

I meant a paid gig :) , maybe broaden your business to community driven organisations.

Sean the Blogonaut September 25, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Some times Compliments & respect are worth more than money (except if you are starving or homeless i spose)

podblack September 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm

(does not mention my co-workers who want me to get into politics…. arghhhhh… :p )

uksceptic September 26, 2009 at 3:07 am

These two posts on blogging have been great. I was going to post a response here but it got too long so I turned it into a blog post instead!

http://scepticalbanter.com/?p=256

podblack September 26, 2009 at 3:52 pm

Thanks, UKSceptic, I’ll comment over on your site. :D

badrescher September 27, 2009 at 2:27 am

My thoughts on this can be summed to a few points that I deem important:

1 – There are no spokespeople for skepticism. I am one who considers skeptical activism part of my job, but I speak only for myself and the organizations whose members agree that I may represent them. Those organizations are not “skepticism”; they are groups of people who chose to promote it.

2 – In science, there are no authorities. One does not need special qualifications to argue rationally or promote rational thinking.

3 – The desire to be a skeptic does not make one a rational thinker, nor does repeating or citing the conclusions drawn by others.

All of that said, this issue is obviously more complicated than simply “anyone can do it”, and perhaps deserves a more detailed discussion across blog posts.

AndyD September 27, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Oooh, can we also have a series of “why I blog sceptically” from all those who do? I kind of did it myself almost exactly a year ago (spooky eh?).

What drives you all to keep posting? Fame, fortune, OCD?

badrescher September 28, 2009 at 5:50 am

Andy – I don’t think it would take a whole blog post to cover that for me. Although I would like to think that my reasons are like yours, involving justice and “doing what is right”, the truth is probably that I blog because I am a self-righteous know-it-all who cannot have a thought without expressing it to SOMEONE… ;)

I think what I was saying deserves more time is the issue of what makes someone “qualified” to discuss science & skepticism. Unfortunately, I’m backed up with blog topics because I’m backed up with work, so I’ll have to revisit that another time!

AndyD September 28, 2009 at 6:19 pm

I am a self-righteous know-it-all who cannot have a thought without expressing it to SOMEONE…

Seems familiar :)

On the issue of qualification, I see a problem with limiting discussion to authority figures. After all, do we limit discussions on evolution to PZ Myers and Jerry Coyne and tell other interested people they aren’t qualified to comment? Do we need a degree in psychology before we express an opinion of TV psychics? Would there be anything someone without so much as a college diploma would be “qualified” to comment on?

Perhaps I’m reading too much into it but it seems to me that if all manner of folk are writing on behalf of nonsense, then we can have all manner of folk dismissing it as such.

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