In Greek mythology, Cassandra… was the daughter of King Priam and Queen Hecuba of Troy. Her beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy. However, when she did not return his love, Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one would ever believe her predictions. Wikipedia.
The irony seems to escape certain people. None more so than for me, right now.
We have a growing number of skeptical groups, who are starting to recognise the value of parenting and raising kids to ‘think skeptically and critically’.
Yet, they’ve always been around, I believed. It’s just that the advent of the internet, a growing number of opportunities to present at informal and formal skeptical gatherings and the opportunities we have to socially network and point out that a ‘pub isn’t always the most accessible place’ have perhaps made it more obvious. Times have not changed that much – just the milieu is magnified.
So why do I feel like being a teacher is the worst thing a skeptic could be? That we’re an embarrassment, a bore, a non-entity in skepticism?
At the last Dragon*Con, the final panel discussion at the end of the day asked the audience for things they’d like to see. Some of the ideas touted by the audience included a ‘magic show for kids / show them how to do it’. The opportunity to talk about communicating to the younger years. To perhaps learn some tricks, some skills, to know how to network better with their schools and have a say in policies that influence education. The historical precedence and continuing struggle with creationism in schools and abstinence-only education appears to be a relevant concern to skeptics, doesn’t it?
Dr Phil Plait stood on the stage and lauded those groups who interacted with the younger years. He did so again at the recent Gnomedex conference:
As an audience member at Dragon*Con last year, listening to this, I felt heartened. I promptly put forward that the Mystery Investigators show should be a part of Dragon*Con 2009. I again asked that educators be represented on panels and that was granted. I was the one who contacted Derek Colanduno about this and fretted about the possibility that panels might have to be combined or taken away due to scheduling issues. No one has been more supportive than Derek Colanduno, I must add – both he and Swoopy were the first two people to encourage myself and Michael McRae, back at TAM5.
As a member of the Skeptic Zone podcast, we’ve had emails from people talking about how they want advice on how to communicate skepticism to young people. In one case, it was someone who was volunteering at a home for abused children. Another, a scientist who was a part of the very same ‘Scientists in Schools’ program that Prof Leonie Rennie talks about in episode #42 of the Skeptic Zone.
In the last few episodes of the Skeptic Zone podcast, you may have noticed Eran Segev – not only in his Grain of Salt segment, but in his interview of Adam Savage – brings up the point that he’s a parent. He’s interested in how skeptics raise children, gives his own advice. At Dragon*Con this year, Heidi Anderson will present as a skeptical parent, the same presentation she made at the Atlanta Skeptics, with more parents joining her for discussion.
Episode #36 has Theo Clark of the Hunting Humbug Podcast, also an educator, talking about the possibility of skeptics having a say in the new science courses for National Curriculum in Australia. The Perth Skeptics in the Pub have already raised the idea of ‘let’s talk about education in this state and can we be a part of helping out’. It’s certainly something that comes up in Atheist groups on forum boards, when religious education overlapping with paranormal or pseudoscientific beliefs are promoted in the classroom. Yet it’s not limited to atheist skeptics, I’m sure.
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I have contributed a total of fourteen interviews to the Skeptic Zone podcast. Only six have been with educators / science communicators. Even the ones with people like Dr Karl can barely be said to be about ‘education’. I’ve presented at the Amazing Meeting 5 and at Dragon*Con. I ended up joining the Critical Thinking Education Group, and was recognised by the Australian Skeptics for the work I did with my school at the time. I contribute to programming for Philosophy and Ethics in my state and have worked at teacher training professional development classes for a number of years, on including skeptically-themed materials. It’s in a number of my blog-posts. I must be doing something, somehow, that has an impact… or am I?
Education matters have, as you might have noticed, been the focus of a few recent podcasts, not just the Skeptic Zone. Speaking Skeptically, with their discussion with Daniel Loxton. Point of Inquiry has always been interested in that regard, interviews with the coordinators / creators of Camp Inquiry on a few shows and even talk of books like Dale McGowan’s ‘Raising Freethinkers’. It’s been raised again and again when conferences are discussed, not just Dragon*Con – teachers made an effort this year at the Amazing Meeting to network. They’ll do so again at this year’s Dragon*Con, with representation on several panels.
Mind, at the last Dragon*Con, I personally went up to the one person, just one, who spoke out. A female podcaster/vodcaster, who discussed Penn Jillette’s condemnation of the US public school system at the Amazing Meeting (yes, where he said ‘better to be not educated than be educated by your government’) on their vodcast show with ‘Really Penn? REALLY?’ – and personally thanked them for challenging Jillette’s libertarian views. I asked if as Penn finished his sentence and while audience clapped their approval of his statements, if they recorded my friend screaming ‘BOOOO!!‘ from that same crowd.
I can’t recall anyone else making a similar statement in response at the time. Are skeptics so unfussed about education? If I stood on the stage and said ‘Better to be sick than to trust your government to supply you with medical aid‘, would I get the same aplomb?
Is that a fair comparison? Who would stand up with me if that was done? Or would I be the lone ‘Booo!‘ in the cheering crowd?
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One thing that has got me concerned when people start touting how they want ‘kids to be critical thinkers’ is how they confuse terms. Defining ’skepticism’ as different to ‘critical thinking’ isn’t made clear by many people and is often assumed to be one and the same thing.
First of all, critical thinking is not the equivalent of ‘just good thinking‘. It is not the same as skepticism, either. It is simply the process of evaluating information for its worthiness against a set of standards. While philosophically, skepticism is essentially the epistemology that says ‘we can’t be absolutely certain of any information we receive being true, demanding a reservation of doubt in anticipation of further evidence’, today skepticism has become perceived as more of a position one takes against certain socially accepted beliefs – psychics, dowsing, et al. It therefore pays to describe precisely what one means by ’skepticism’.
There are also inherent problems with the word ’skeptic’. There are several interpreted meanings to the term, depending on the community you’re communicating with. Absolutely, ‘doubt’ lies at the core of all meanings of the term. Yet the placement of this doubt depends on the context of the term. Most people in the community tend to associate the word ’skeptic’ with an opposition to an otherwise accepted belief. In other words, it’s always a negative thing that conflicts with a perceived truth. Take ‘climate change skeptic‘ for an example.
Yet in broader communities such as the ones I’m discussing, to be ‘a skeptic’ is associated not with any one particular stance or context, but rather with an overall philosophy. This contrast makes it difficult to communicate the core goals of critical thinking. People will readily associate the word ’skeptic’ with an adopted position before they will with an epistemology. Personally, even though I share this philosophy, in my line of work I avoid nominating myself primarily as ‘a skeptic’, for this very reason.
Critical thinking has, to me, far more potential for creating a healthy discourse in society which can reduce the impact of unsupported (and potentially dangerous) beliefs. However it is by far the only piece of the puzzle, and to think it is ‘the answer‘ is ridiculous.
Again in my experience, a large number of influential skeptics within their communities have little idea of how education works or what role it plays in making people think skeptically about social beliefs. They mark success against obscure yard sticks which are adhered to inspite of their lack of scientific rigor and feel education should be doing more to inspire critical thinking. How many have appealed to education professionals or to departments to ascertain just how much is being done already?
I’ve tried to argue ‘okay, education is not just about X’ approach, and never got very far. I’ve also tried to explain ‘education is more than just communication’, and again, got the equivalent of blank stares. The short of it is that pedagogy (the profession of teaching) isn’t something people tend to recognise as important when it comes to skepticism. Sad, but true.
Sure, there are suggestions of a ‘good skeptical education’ meaning having people not believe in psychic powers or not believe in ghosts, however these statements need to be broken down further. On the surface they are relatively broad, impossible notions which have no relevance to the real world. Until that happens, success cannot be measured.
I think it approaches dangerous territory when a group that label themselves as ‘educational’ are promoting thinking skills and a philosophy are emphatically representing a conclusion. It then becomes a matter of telling people that conclusion X is wrong, rather than educating people in how to evaluate their thinking, and hopefully understand on their own that X is wrong. We shut down lines of communication, limit our range and even promote prejudice rather than truly having ‘education for all’.
To leave education, formalised or the discussion of how to do it well and effectively, out of the considerations of skeptical ventures like podcasts, sites, conferences and materials produced – is to do everyone a disservice.
It saddens me that in my personal experience – that people want to do that very thing. Particularly amongst those who I thought understood and supported.
















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Comment left by A:
“As you’ve no doubt become aware, I do wonder how one gets critical thinking (and/or scepticism) into our kids but I’m not in much of a position to do much about it.
I did attend my first ever P&C meeting last week (not for this reason) and see that it might at least offer some opportunity to influence decisions which might, at least passively, increase opportunities for science-based education. But I’m not scientist or teacher so we’ll have to see how that works out.
The word skepticism sucks, not least of all because it’s an Americanised version of scepticism. I suspect my very first comment on your blog was about my dislike of the term as it implied cynicism rather than open-mindedness.
For what it’s worth, I don’t like “critical thinker” either – it sounds pretentious. “Are you a sceptic or something?”, “No, I’m a critical thinker”. I’ve read that some people call themselves “brights”. That sounds beyond pretentious – and also like an alien race
My major concern about how “critical thinking” (or whatever we call it) gets onto the curriculum is the battle that would be faced. Science already has enough problems just with “evolution versus a relative handful of fundamentalists” – I wonder what the backlash would be when people realise homeopathy, naturopathy, reiki, prayer, chiropractic, clairvoyance, astrology, anti-vaccination, etc are all being targeted by “rational” education strategies?
A huge task. But then, you managed to somehow slip critical thinking into the curriculum at a prestigious Christian school so you must have some pretty solid ideas of how to open that door.”
Here’s the comments! I found them. They weren’t popping up for me earlier, so I just emailed you my response. Thanks for a great post!
Thanks, sorry, did email back as to why they weren’t there.
Here’s what you wrote:
“Anyway, amazing post. I feel the exact same thing. That’s why I have “promote reading and critical thinking” on my blog as opposed to “promote skepticism” for all of the reasons you so eloquently give.
In fact, this desire to promote critical thinking is one of the main reasons I’m taking the leap of getting a new degree and going into the field of what we in the US call “school library media specialists” but I prefer the term “teacher-librarians” even though it doesn’t really trip off the tongue. Our main professional organization, the AASL has four main standards that teacher-librarians are supposed to engage students in and I kind of wish these were the only four standards that teachers had to worry about overall. I like how they kind of align with the scientific method and democracy in general and cover the essential idea of learning how to learn–to become life-long learners. What a great world it would be if these were the main things we hoped for our students to get out of their educations:
1) Inquire, think critically, and gain knowledge.
2) Draw conclusions, make informed decisions, apply knowledge to new situations, and create new knowledge.
3) Share knowledge and participate ethically and productively as members of our democratic society.
4) Pursue personal and aesthetic growth.
That’s why I want to get into this field, because it lines up with my world view. That’s why I enjoy the skeptical community, even though I haven’t really had the time to engage with it as much as you have. That’s why I look so forward to finally meeting you at this upcoming Dragon*Con!
Thanks for all your work,
Jim
a/k/a “Teacherninja”"
That’s probably why being a teacher can suck, right? Because if you know something about the subject, you’re going to be shouted down by people who know nothing about pedagogy and tell you that your profession is less important than being a “straight scientist”? It’s not what I’d support. It’s different to what Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum say in ‘Unscientific America’, but it could certainly be a factor in hindering communication – from the review:
“And it’s real reform of our public debates, not just more accurate films or media-savvy scientists, that will finally get people engaged with science.”
Thanks PB,
You may have noticed that PZ Myers agrees, in his own inimitable way.
“That’s where early education in critical thinking is important: children shouldn’t grow up believing that stubbornly clinging to an idea despite all the evidence against it makes them look heroic. It makes them look stupid.”
Another problem with “critical thinking” is that “critical” can be just as negative as “cynical” to anyone who chooses to misuse the term. Sure, we know what we mean but then, we know what we mean by sceptical too.
Yes – and yet I don’t see any skeptical group with a member on their staff or on their board of directors with people who have formal degrees in education. I find that odd?
Well, it seems fairly obvious. Skepticism isn’t critical thinking. Skepticism is ghost debunking, scowling and telling people they’re wrong and we’re led by James Randi in that forte. Critical thinking isn’t as ’sexy’ as that but it makes it sound damned cool if it’s used as a term. But it debunks nothing, isn’t as aggressive and concerns itself too much with boring stuff like pedagogy and philosophy.
Yet out of the two, only one has a remote chance of bridging the gap. The other is just cheerleading. Cheerleading holding a sign that isn’t understood and ends up alienating people by saying ‘you’re stupid and we’re smarter because we don’t hold beliefs that the majority of the population does’.
I think I’m having difficulty drinking the Kool-aid too. But I’m disappointed that there’s so little opportunities for teachers to be heard. Fine – if skeptics aren’t taking the whole education issue seriously, but I have a bigger problem with them taking it seriously and being _uninformed about it_.
Oh, in case you missed it? I liked that last interview you did. You talked about someone who wasn’t a skeptic who was doing philosophy with children, who was involving their local and even national community in getting into thinking skills and actually sounded like someone fun to work with as a non-skeptic.
Are you saying people don’t like those sorts of interviews because she wasn’t as ’skeptic’ as others that that you talked to?
Oh – and in case people are getting to think that it’s ‘all about them’? Read the post, there’s a variety of factors at play.
Just to push this back one step, what opportunities currently exist for teachers to learn critical thinking skills in college? I ask because of the “few” teachers I know outside of the school environment, I think the majority would lean towards believing a lot of the things sceptics regularly “debunk”.
Currently we don’t expect science teachers to excel at literary writing or our English teachers to have a firm grasp of maths – would critical thinking be a separate subject that other teachers could be ignorant of or would it be woven throughout the whole profession regardless of subject areas? Or is it just about offering resources to those teachers who are interested?
To provide a little response to AndyD’s comment about teacher training, I am a currently undertaking a a Bachelor of Teaching (K-6) degree in Tasmania. Although I am in the primary school stream, in the unit Professional Studies (where critical thinking is “covered”) we are combined with students studying secondary teaching. Critical thinking has only come up as a topic as part of our subscribed reading from our course text book (page 355, a paragraph and table describing critical thinking, and page 357 an arguement from either side debating whether we should bother teaching critical thinking skills in school, from Woolfolk, A., & Margetts, K. (2007). Educational psychology. Frenchs Forrest, NSW: Pearson Education).
I don’t recall critical thinking being mentioned in our lectures or tutorials, and we have completed the science unit for primary school teaching and it certainly wasn’t on any of my fellow student’s radar and can’t recall it being mentioned.
In terms of science literacy, BTeach (K-6) emphasises the notion of a fair test, as defined by the Australian Govt Primary Connections teacher’s resources (www.science.org.au/primaryconnections/index.htm) and, basically, primary school science in Australia is heading down the path of the recipe book style of teaching- pull the Primary Connections book off the shelf and follow the instructions. Only teachers with a passion, interest or background in science will take it further. Actually, I think it’s okay ’cause generalist primary school teachers have enough on their plate already and the Primary Connections resources are pretty good.
Oh, and I made the mistake of identifying myself as a sceptic in the course, and my fellow students have taken it to mean debunker or cynic. Turns out many do lean towards believing a lot of the things sceptics regularly “debunk”.
In fairness, critical thinking is not completely omitted in schools, neither public and private, and it might be dangerous (fearmongering?) to overstate the problem (strangely, one is more likely to receive a vigorous education in formal logic at a Catholic school than a public school; go figure).
I tend to agree with you that perception, and the manner in which terms such as “skeptic” and “critical” can affect it, are at issue here. These terms are often used by the religious inclined synonymously with materialism, I find, and thus what should be a straightforward appeal to reason becomes perceived as a backdoor strategy for indoctrination. Given the nature of school boards (in the US at least) that is not going to lead to productive outcome.
It might be better just to push and broaden existing elements of school curricula addressing matters regarding epistemology (whether it be Teh Scientific Method, or even literature criticism). And, inre a previous post, perhaps inject some mystery debunking into specialised classes, if only because it is probably more conducive to generating interest in kids.
But the moment a proposed change in public curriculum, let alone private, appears linked to a group sharing a specific ideology, no matter how legitimate they might imagine it to be, there is inevitably going to be a kickback. The Discover Institute being a fine example of such kickback in the US.
However it is taught, it’s vital that the teachers do not allow themselves to imagine for one moment that “critical thinking” is represented by an established and complete system of thought; it isn’t, and there is still continued debate among secular philosophers, let alone those with relgious inclinations as to how we should approach it. I fear that some skeptics rally to reason as if it is a nice compact dogma in itself, and proliferating this misunderstanding can cause considerable harm.
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PodBlack,
Now that does concern me…..I’ve been mildly active in the skeptical movement for some years – and now I’m going back to uni to become a science high school teacher. Now you have me worried
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