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	<title>Comments on: Science In Literature &#8211; A Meeting Of Much-Needed Minds</title>
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		<title>By: podblack</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-20386</link>
		<dc:creator>podblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and hello to people who are members of http://moodle.oakland.k12.mi.us/clarenceville ... if you want to talk about education, let me know. My details are in the &#039;About&#039; link...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and hello to people who are members of <a href="http://moodle.oakland.k12.mi.us/clarenceville" rel="nofollow">http://moodle.oakland.k12.mi.us/clarenceville</a> &#8230; if you want to talk about education, let me know. My details are in the &#8216;About&#8217; link&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: podblack</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-20320</link>
		<dc:creator>podblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just checked it then, it seems to be okay? Having corresponded with Mr Munroe before (if you see my TAM5 speech, his illustration was in my presentation), I&#039;m aware of the requirements. I hope to talk to him in person, one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just checked it then, it seems to be okay? Having corresponded with Mr Munroe before (if you see my TAM5 speech, his illustration was in my presentation), I&#8217;m aware of the requirements. I hope to talk to him in person, one day.</p>
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		<title>By: nitpick</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-20318</link>
		<dc:creator>nitpick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very small point - not to be critical as such - but you included an xkcd cartoon without a directly linked reference / citation.  By his licence that&#039;s all that Randell Munroe ever asked for. IIRC BoingBoing did the same thing. tch tch ... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very small point &#8211; not to be critical as such &#8211; but you included an xkcd cartoon without a directly linked reference / citation.  By his licence that&#8217;s all that Randell Munroe ever asked for. IIRC BoingBoing did the same thing. tch tch &#8230; <img src='http://podblack.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-19883</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; non-scientific evidence for evolution:
http://ideophone.org/man-is-an-animal/

(You never know - when all the rational arguments fail, that one might actually work on some people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, there <i>is</i> non-scientific evidence for evolution:<br />
<a href="http://ideophone.org/man-is-an-animal/" rel="nofollow">http://ideophone.org/man-is-an-animal/</a></p>
<p>(You never know &#8211; when all the rational arguments fail, that one might actually work on some people.)</p>
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		<title>By: podblack</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-19795</link>
		<dc:creator>podblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Adrian, it just seems to be straight-forward demonising, doesn&#039;t it? I bet they&#039;d turn around and say that they still care about literacy, et al... :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Adrian, it just seems to be straight-forward demonising, doesn&#8217;t it? I bet they&#8217;d turn around and say that they still care about literacy, et al&#8230; :/</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-19794</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientism article is definitely confused, particularly where it talks about evolution and what it means to be &quot;essentially neo-Darwinistic&quot;.

I also detect a conflation of &quot;science&quot; with &quot;scientist&quot;. Of course &quot;science&quot; (if we must anthropomorphise a process) cannot contemplate non-scientific things. Scientists, however, can contemplate all sorts of things after getting home from the lab, from the unknowable to the downright unbelievable.

There might well be real things in the world that can never be investigated through scientific means (actually, I&#039;m sure there are). However, responsible scientists aren&#039;t discouraged by the fact that science isn&#039;t all-powerful, and go on trying to find out &lt;i&gt;as much as we can&lt;/i&gt;, which turns out to be a very large amount indeed.

It would be too strong to declare outright that scientism doesn&#039;t exist. What scientism is, and how much of it is out there, is a discussion worth having. But the more pervasive and threatening someone perceives scientism to be, the more likely it is that they&#039;re jumping at shadows and mistaking for an extreme ideology what is really just the responsible attitude that important decisions should be based on things we can be confident about (which means verifiable things, which means science).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientism article is definitely confused, particularly where it talks about evolution and what it means to be &#8220;essentially neo-Darwinistic&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also detect a conflation of &#8220;science&#8221; with &#8220;scientist&#8221;. Of course &#8220;science&#8221; (if we must anthropomorphise a process) cannot contemplate non-scientific things. Scientists, however, can contemplate all sorts of things after getting home from the lab, from the unknowable to the downright unbelievable.</p>
<p>There might well be real things in the world that can never be investigated through scientific means (actually, I&#8217;m sure there are). However, responsible scientists aren&#8217;t discouraged by the fact that science isn&#8217;t all-powerful, and go on trying to find out <i>as much as we can</i>, which turns out to be a very large amount indeed.</p>
<p>It would be too strong to declare outright that scientism doesn&#8217;t exist. What scientism is, and how much of it is out there, is a discussion worth having. But the more pervasive and threatening someone perceives scientism to be, the more likely it is that they&#8217;re jumping at shadows and mistaking for an extreme ideology what is really just the responsible attitude that important decisions should be based on things we can be confident about (which means verifiable things, which means science).</p>
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		<title>By: Ewright</title>
		<link>http://podblack.com/2009/04/science-in-literature-meeting-of-much-needed-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-19788</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us know when these resources will be online, will be good to know more about the workshop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us know when these resources will be online, will be good to know more about the workshop!</p>
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