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The Mentalist – ‘Jumped The Shark’ With Psychic’s Prediction?

by podblack on November 23, 2008

This will probably be something that goes on for a while until the series tries to approach it again, but let me know your views. It goes like this:

Patrick Jane ends up finishing the episode called ‘Seeing Red with a bit of a quandary for me – because it seemed to imply that he got a valid ‘psychic message’ from the character Kristina Frye, who featured in that episode as a professional medium.

Since Jane’s wife and daughter had been murdered five years before the series began by a serial killer known as “Red John”, it was already pointed out that a quick internet search could have provided her with all the information she needed (let alone the fact that as a TV psychic, his ‘shiny suits’ could have caught her attention long before. I have heard from one source that it’s fairly common practice for all the ‘psychics in the industry’ to be aware of one another).

Jane has consistently demonstrated a very hard-nosed ‘goat’ attitude of a convinced skeptic – he was a practicing TV psychic, he does go into a little detail (varies every episode, but in general, he comes across as an authority) in regards to cold-reading and some of the ‘tricks of the trade’ in regards to how people are fooled by psychic claimants. His disdainful attitude towards Frye is pretty well established from the start of the episode (she’s not really a very nice person anyway, quite frankly – I certainly have issues with her sleeping with her former client’s boyfriend whilst she was ‘treating’ the client for emotional problems).

Yet Frye’s parting message of ‘your daughter didn’t suffer any pain as she was asleep when she was murdered by Red John’, and his bursting into tears (let alone the pro-psychic police officer Grace sensitively shutting the door as he shed those tears alone in the interrogation room), seemed to indicate a hit, perhaps? A sudden ‘change of heart’ on the part of Jane?

Was it implying that Grace was being vindicated after all her former bull-headed insistence that ‘psychics are real’? I did, however, like Jane’s blank response of ‘that would be really sad’ when she did try her insensitive approach of bringing up his family as possibly being ‘disappointed’ that he didn’t believe in an afterlife.

Then I recollected that I had heard (and read in several crime novels) that in cases of violent death, an autopsy can at least give an appoximation of how much pain a person suffered? Or was that a fallacy? For example, ‘Measurement of substance P and met-enkephalin in the serum of violent death victims‘:

Very often the allocation of putative damages for wrongful death and the determination of aggravating factors in the sentencing of an individual convicted of homicide by a jury is based on a subjective determination of the amount of pain suffered by the victim. This study was designed to determine whether the quantitative determination of peptides involved in nociception and inflammation offer the potential to provide an objective basis for an assessment of pain prior to death.

…Although owing to a number of variables, a direct correlation between peptide concentrations and the level of pain may not be possible, the results of the study indicate that a presumption of antemortem pain may be possible with future study.

Certainly it’s of interest in cases of prosecution, as demonstrated in this blurb for a book called Medical-Legal Aspects of Pain and Suffering. There could be physical evidence that indicated that his daughter did suffer, beyond what chemical analysis could show, such as blood patterning. The case of the space shuttle Challenger is one case that was raised in court in matters of pain and suffering experienced prior to death.

I’m uncertain whether autopsies are mandatory in case of sudden or violent death, but in the case of the serial killer Red John, I would find it odd if they did not investigate the bodies for further clues (indeed, to at least ascertain if it wasn’t a copy-cat killer… something that the very first episode tackled for its plot, in fact).

So – was Jane crying because she was wrong; his daughter did suffer and it vindicated everything he felt about psychics taking advantage of people in pain? Or did she strike a nerve, a hope he had? Or was she in fact, correct?

Either way, one could say it was a lucky or unlucky guess. But I think that it certainly has struck a little blow towards the skeptical attitude this show usually contains. What are your thoughts?

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{ 23 comments }

Helen November 23, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Oh please, NOOOOOOO! !!! I’ve missed a few episodes. Just when I thought that here at last was a really cool RATIONALIST tv show. I’m sure I read an interview with the writer about his desire to do a show that debunked all that baloney. Argh.

John S. Wilkins November 23, 2008 at 2:51 pm

I read it that this brought to the forefront of his mind the tragedy, which he manages to keep at bay only with some effort. The guy is clearly struggling to maintain his balance. His complete lack of reaction to the “psychic’s” revelation suggested to me that he was controlling himself. If I were him, I would have wanted to slap that silly bitch hard.

As a general rule, if a psychic knows information about an event that has not been disclosed, and which could not be inferred, the psychic was involved. I got no indication that the psychic here knew anything she shouldn’t have, but if she had, I’d assume she was the perp.

Skepdude November 23, 2008 at 3:12 pm

No no, I don’t want to hear it, there is no way they’re gonna turn The Mentalist into a believer show. I don’t want to hear it…LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Jokes aside, I hope not. I missed that episode and CBS has not put it online. But I would like to think that whenever someone mentions your daughter, who was killed by a serial killer because of you, it would make you cry regardless if it was a hit or a miss. I can imagine the pain would be unbearable even for a cool fox like Patrick Jane.

Michael November 23, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Yeah, since I’m not a fan of procedural dramas, the only reason I watch the show is the skeptical element and when after a number of episodes that didn’t get into the skeptical stuff nearly as much as the Pilot episode, I was at first really excited when I saw this episode centered around another “psychic.” That hope continued for a little after the teaser, which I believe ended with Jane saying something like, “This is going to be fun,” suggesting we were going to get a full-on psychic debunking. But as the episode continued I started to remember my Television Cliches 101 and realized they were going to leave it ambiguous at the end. Admittedly I didn’t think about some of the other possibilities for his crying at the end but I think the interpretation the average viewer will have is the classic, “the skeptic is to be pitied because they won’t accept the wonderful truth” gambit, so I felt a little betrayed by how they ended it, especially since they had the dopey, “will believe anything” detective be the one to close the door leaving Jane to cry. Though I do like some of your alternative explanations for the cry.

Adrian Morgan November 23, 2008 at 4:42 pm

I can’t help wondering where you saw this episode, given that channel nine (or was it seven? I forget) has stopped screening The Mentalist for the time being (the last episode shown was the casino one). Have you been watching some other channel that most Australians aren’t privy to, or are you actually a very proficient remote viewer?

podblack November 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Adrian – you’d be surprised at what powers I do have… but yes, this is the most recent episode released in the US and I see them.

Helen, yeah, which I guess is why I’m trying to figure out all the ‘angles’ that this might end up having. Will we have Jane looking over the autopsy record next ep and cursing the psychic for her effort to fool him? Could Jane actually be crying due to the heavy burden of knowing that once he was like her and telling lies to people under the impression it was ‘therapy’ – and knowing that it certainly isn’t the case for him? Perhaps I am keeping my hopes up, but I will say that Dr Richard Wiseman’s involvement on the website for the show (there’s a few vids that he’s behind about ‘testing your abilities’) certainly seemed to bode well for the ‘skeptic attitude’.

Maybe we’re all being fooled with this turn… eh, or maybe it’s more sodding baloney. *@&#@(*&#.

podblack November 23, 2008 at 8:30 pm

I’d like to apologise to everyone who didn’t see their comments appear straight away! I’ve been getting a little spam-bombed recently, so please, please contact me if your comments get bogged in the queue!

[spoilers, note!!]

John – yes I was SO expecting it to be the psychic behind it all!
I also agree with you and Skepdude about the crying – my initial thought was ‘damn, it’s tough being him, no wonder’.

Then I had a conversation with my husband, who proposed that it is in fact a ‘cop-out’ (much like Michael’s summation), and that it was leading towards a ‘psychics are real, oh poor skeptic’ conclusion. So… what other conclusions could be made, I wondered? Was I being too optimistic? What did I know about the after-effects of a violent crime that could lead Jane to knowing ‘what really happened’?

Theo November 23, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I was so annoyed with that ending. I “read it” as he just heard what he wanted to hear (and gee, that wasn’t obvious). But I wanted to read it that way. Others who want to read it as her being a genuine psychic, would read it that way…

Either way, it was out of character, given how they had built him up over the prior episodes, and as such, annoying.

We haven’t quite jumped the shark, but a few more of those incidents and I’ll turn it off. (That’s if my wife lets me… she now has a thing for Simon Baker – I need to go and buy a vest.)

The Perky Skeptic November 23, 2008 at 10:40 pm

MAYBE– maybe maybe maybe– they are setting up a scenario wherein he starts to believe in the psychic, but then he DRAMATICALLY DISCOVERS that she read the autopsy report on his daughter and gets to ANGRILY CONFRONT her with her fraudulence, thus DEMONSTRATING to the viewing audience how easy it is for psychics to dupe even their intelligent detractors and NOBODY will EVER believe in psychics again!!!!!!!!

One can dream. :)

Ordinary Girl November 24, 2008 at 6:49 am

I haven’t watched the show, but I’ve been wanting to. I’m debating jumping in part-way through the season or waiting for it to be on DVD. So, not knowing anything about the show, I’m going to assume that she hit a nerve. She was telling him something he knew she didn’t know, but he desperately wanted to believe. He broke down because he was her once and between his own pain and the knowledge of what he did to people wanting to believe was too much for him.

But then I’ve been known to not see the obvious in fiction because I just didn’t want to.

Callum November 24, 2008 at 9:03 am

The worst thing that could have happened in the show; unless it becomes part of a stroy arc. I’ll give it one or two more episodes I guess, hoping that the series sees sense.

podblack November 24, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Hello! I have a lot of alternatives to what it’s trying to do, that’s for certain – I’ll give the same benefit of the doubt! :)

Callum November 27, 2008 at 10:44 am

It’s interesting to note that Houdini spent a great part of his life debunking psychics; this was not some great beielf that no access to the spirit world existed but he want to find a genuine psychic to contact dead relatives.

podblack November 27, 2008 at 9:44 pm

Oh, absolutely. He was possibly the best model for skeptics – he did keep his mind open. He did have hopes that maybe it could be shown. Skepticality features a great interview with the Houdini Museum that discussed this.

raph December 2, 2008 at 8:46 am

I was annoyed by that scene, but if you think about it he very coolly asked her if she was done “channelling” — almost sarcastically. Isn’t it possible that the madman that killed his daughter did make her suffer, and Jane knew it? That would easily set him crying, and the scene would make perfect sense from a rational point of view.

I don’t remember what the earlier episodes said about Red John, but he was a) a serial killer, and b) a show-y one at that, so it seems unlikely that he showed much mercy in any of his “work”. *shudder*

podblack December 2, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Hello Raph! Yes, that’s one of my hypotheses. That he was aware of the coroner’s report on his daughter’s death and it was disturbing for him on a number of levels to have it brought up again. For example, the realisation that he could be manipulated to cry by a psychic, despite her ‘guess’.

As for ‘Red John’ – man, was that the best way to hammer home one thing that I always have tapping around in my mind – that if psychics were truly able to help out with crimes… wouldn’t they strictly avoid putting themselves in the firing line of every organised crime syndicate, serial killer and lunatic out there who would not want their secrets revealed on television, let alone the stage for ‘entertainment purposes’?? :/

Derek Colanduno December 3, 2008 at 12:20 am

Since I have personally talked to a few high level writers and producers for the CBS Television Network recently. I know that MANY are hard-core skeptics. They even consult with people like Michael Shermer, Randi, Penn, etc, when writing a few of the highly rated shows on the network. So I have a bit of ‘faith’ when it comes to where the story lines are going.

But, you also have to remember that those TV networks are still thinking in terms of the Television industry, and are about 10-15 years behind the times, and don’t take into account the current mentality of society and their consumers.

One of the writers a spent more than an hour talking to told me the horrors she has to go through just to get real science into her show. The network is ALWAYS scared that they will lose people and ad revenue.

podblack December 3, 2008 at 5:12 am

Derek – in regards to real science in the arts – have you considered interviewing Dr Kiki Sandford about the new ‘Science and Entertainment Exchange’? http://podblack.com/?p=1070

As for ‘mentality’ – suddenly I recall how Joss Whedon gets treated…. ;)

Derek James December 5, 2008 at 4:32 pm

I guess I didn’t give it the benefit of the doubt. The ending is not the only aspect of the show that hints that Kristina’s powers might be real. Note that she knows where the car used to kill the victim was dumped. As was pointed out, this could be an educated guess, but the entire episode is sympathetic toward her. Jane never once catches her in a lie or using the tricks of the trade. This episode was enough to turn me off the series for good.

podblack December 5, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Hello, lovely to meet you, Derek! :) I posted on your blog:

The episode does have Teresa Lisbon say the following (transcribed):
‘Come on! She simply did what you do so well: with an air of confidence she made an educated guess. Where else would you dump a car around here? She’s just a good guesser’.

The fact that Jane looks sullen / unconvinced could demonstrate that he’s annoyed that he didn’t come to that conclusion first up rather than his suggestion to arrest Kristina the Psychic (and he pretty much says so straight after).

Personally, I reckon he’s just still pissed off that she did a blithe ‘but I don’t KNOW what cold reading is!’ *flutters eyelids*.

In fact, that is what I’d say is a big issue with the show – that neither does an uneducated audience know what ‘cold reading is’. Where the show seems to be going lax on more is the educational aspect of tending towards the ‘she just got lucky and made an educated guess’ rather than ‘and here’s an example of what cold-reading is by using some of the co-workers in the office for a bit of a break from the action’.

Maybe some people will ‘Google’ the term? But certainly my interpretation of the ending of the entire show gave more leeway to Jane being human rather than allowing for psychic reading to have any legitimacy.

podblack December 5, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Oh – as for ‘entirely sympathetic towards Kristina’ – not really.

She was having an affair with that nasty boyfriend of her dead client (‘we had sex on a couple of occasions – we had fun’) and had absolutely no qualms about it whatsover, whilst calling herself a ‘therapist’. And ‘five different people named her in their wills’. She’s a nasty, nasty piece of work, I think. Smug to the end, really.

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podblack December 21, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Thank you! How are you, hope you’re doing well! :D

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